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Do Grandparents really have legal rights?

letsbridge55

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Hi all,

I'd like to propose a discussion about whether or not grandparents have explicit legal rights with respect to grandchildren. It seems there is a lot of misinformation or conflicting information out there on the net.

Here's an example:

This Grandparents Visitation Rights article asserts that, "Under current Maine law, you may ask a court to give you the right to see your grandchildren. But you must meet several legal tests. This page explains the general rules."

The article goes on to describe how grandparents must demonstrate at least one of the following:

· At least one of the child's parents or legal guardians has died; or

· You have a "sufficient existing relationship" with your grandchild; or

· You do not have a sufficient existing relationship but you have made a "sufficient effort" to have such a relationship.

Now, this seems opposite to another grandparents rights article I read, which talks about how the Toxel V. Granville supreme court ruling decided state laws which affected a parent's fundamental right to the "care, custody and control of their children" were unconstitutional. The article said, "According to Toxel V. Granville, 527 U.S. 1069, (1999), no third party may petition for child visitation rights when the parents are fit and object. However, there may be times when the courts order grandparent visitation. This may be granted when the courts deem it within the best interest of the child."

With this in mind, do you believe grandparents actually have legal rights with respect to grandchildren??


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ImpishMom

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I believe they *shouldn't*. I believe the case in Troxel vs Granville was that *both* parents were in agreement, and the grandparents were trying to get the courts to force the parents to do what they wouldn't.

 

The excpetions are when both parents either can't (deceased) or won't agree. The 'sufficient effort' clause gives me the willies, though.

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RoseRed135

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Welcome Allie! And trust me, this topic is a frequent one on these boards. IMO, the difference you're seeing between the two articles reflects differences from state to state and between the Supreme Court decision in that one case and the laws on the books in some other states.

 

  At least one of the child's parents or legal guardians has died; or
· You have a "sufficient existing relationship" with your grandchild; or
· You do not have a sufficient existing relationship but you have made a "sufficient effort" to have such a relationship.

 

From everything I've seen and heard, both online and off, none of these conditions guarantee a GP the right to see their GC. All these criteria do (if the GP meets them) is open the door - it means, as you mention above, Allie, that the GP "may ask a court" for visitation, w/ "ask" being the operative word - "ask" translated into "file for."  Please remember that the court has to listen to the parents' side of the case, too. A GP could meet all the requirements and still lose the case if the court decides that the parents' wishes are in "the best interest of the child."

 

With this in mind, do you believe grandparents actually have legal rights with respect to grandchildren??

 

Yes and no. We GPs have the legal right to file for visitation in many states, under certain circumstances, even though some people think we shouldn't. We do not have an overall (as in Federal), automatic legal right to see our GC against parental wishes - nope, not even if we're not an obvious danger to them and even though some people think we should.

 

Meanwhile, Allie, I hope you pay attention to the advice SueSTx gave you, over in Grandma's Pantry, about changing your name.

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letsbridge55

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Thanks for the great response from the both of you!! 

 

Rosered you make an excellent point about the "ask" being the operative word in that article. I suppose I inferred more than what was stated. 

 

Thanks for pointing me over to SueSTx's advice on my recipe post. I got lost trying to change my username the first time, but was able to change it with their link. I appreciate you looking out for me there! 

 

This seems like a great community :D

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BlueEyedGirl

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To me - there is a very big key piece that is frequently overlooked by grandparents petitioning for visitation. If both parents are living and the family is intact - unless you have contributed significantly to the actual RAISING of your grandchild - to the point where sudden removal from their lives is detrimental to the CHILD - there is very little wiggle room.  Generally speaking - if that is the case - it isn't that the "other" parent is preventing the grandparent from seing the child - it is an agreement between the two parents. There are even families out there who have taken it so far as to have it included in their LEGAL WILL that in the event of their death - XYZ person is not to have access to their children. When situations like that occur - I think more important than wasting your time and money in a legal battle you aren't likely to win - a person would be better served to look at the root cause of why they aren't allowed to see their grandchildren.

 

I think - and always have - that the onus should be on the grandparents to PROVE they should have visitation rather than on the parents to prove they shouldn't. I'm not a big fan of keeping children from their grandparents - but when there is good reason to do so - a blanket law granting ALL grandparents "rights" would be terrifying. I have a friend - her son is an adult now with his own children - but when he was small - his father was horribly abusive. To both mother and son. There was a restraining order in place. He was not to come near his wife or son (we are talking about multiple hospital visits, broken bones, and almost a brain injury). Mom - legally - left the state and moved away. Her ex was in prison for a very long time (multiple reasons besides the abuse) and there was no reason for her to stay. And then the grandparents started stalking her - and I don't use that term lightly. They were well aware of the abuse - had seen it happen. They never spent time with their grandson. They never did anything to protect him. So when she managed to get away from her ex - she wanted to be as far away from them as possible. But she was a stay-at-home-mom turned working mom and she was barely making ends meet. Her ex-ILs were rich - and I mean seriously rich. Like $1,000 a plate dinner rich just for the fun of it. They could certainly afford to invest and even hemmorhage money on a GPV case. But this was years ago and they went the route of private investigators and searching for them. They had clearly told my friend "you'd better hide where no one can find you - because we WILL take him away from you if we do."  She invested her entire life in keeping them away from him until he was legally an adult.  She succeeded. But had there been a blanket law in place - I can't even imagine.

 

For every well -intentioned grandparent who is just trying to spend time with their grands - there are those who would abuse the law. Grandparents who sexually abused their own children, physically abused them, would expose them to things their parents don't want (there have been stories here of a single visit where grandma had her grandchild baptized because she didn't agree with the parents on religion. Or pierced their ears, or any number of philosophical and religious differences). There is a good reason why grandparents should have to prove their case rather than the parents having to prove they shouldn't see their own children.

 

And I have a wonderful relationship with all of my grandparents and my children have a wonderful relationship with all of theirs. It just makes me angry to think that someone could come along and require me or my DH to hand our children over because they wanted to see them and weren't getting their way.

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RoseRed135

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Glad you're enjoying this community, letsbridge! And that you appreciate our responses here. Also glad that, with Sue's advice, you were able to change your name!

 

I'm guessing that you're a GP though I could be wrong. I just hope this was just a general question and you haven't, sadly, been denied access to any of your GC.

 

@ BEG - Excellent points, IMO! And I'm so sorry to hear about that friend! It sounds as though the PGPs weren't just interested in trying for visitation but custody/to take away her child! How frightening for her! And considering the overall picture, it also sounds as if they might have reunited him w/ his abusive dad, given the chance. I'm glad none of that happened, but how awful to have to be "looking over her shoulder" all those years. TG, that worry is behind her but... wow...

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p_madden64@yahoo.com

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I would also like to know where the grandparents stand legally in Oklahoma.. Our grandkids were taken away from our son and his wife 2 years ago.. We have been fighting for them ever since. The foster system here doesn't believe in having the grandchildren live with the grandparents.. We have such a hole in our hearts and are at our wits end as to getting them back for us to raise.. Not the parents.. From the sounds of some of these blogs grandparents do not have rights any where..

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RoseRed135

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@ p_madden64 - My heart goes out to you and yours! I'm so sorry that DS (dear son) and DIL (daughter-in-law) are not deemed capable of raising their children, for whatever reason. I'm also sorry that you weren't allowed (if I'm reading correctly) to be the foster parents. Is it just that your state doesn't favor leaving the kids w/ GPs or are they against placing them w/ any relatives, at all. In other words, were the children taken to live w/ people who were complete strangers to them, at the time or are they w/ another relative? And if it's not too painful a question, have you and DH (dear husband) gotten to see them at any time?

 

Anyhow, I take it you are fighting for custody, which is, of course, a somewhat different issue than visitation. GP.com provides a state-by-state guide to "GP rights." IDK how recently it has been updated, but here it is: http://www.grandparents.com/family-and-relationships/grandparents-rights/grandparent-rights-united-states  As you can see, however, the summary of Oklahoma's rules doesn't mention custody, so... sigh... IDK how much help this is.

 

But I trust you are working w/ an attorney? How do they see your chances of getting custody of your GC?

 

From the sounds of some of these blogs grandparents do not have rights any where..

 

Not automatic rights, no, as both BEG and I have said, above. Nothing that says, in effect or in actuality, "If you're a GP, you have an automatic right to see your GC and even to raise them if the parents can't/won't." Nothing that would force parents to arrange visits, no matter what or the foster care system to allow GPs to take in their GC, etc But again, we do have the right to file, given certain circumstances.

 

I just wish you and DH the best and hope that all turns out in the true "best interests of" your GC. My thoughts and prayers (if ok) will be w/ you and them...

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RoseRed135

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Meanwhile,  if that's your active email addy in your username, you may want to change it for greater privacy. If so,  just click on http://www.grandparents.com/profile and change your name where shown. You must sign/log out and then sign/log back in again to make sure the change takes full effect.

 

If you do this, immediately, it will be obvious, of course. However, generally speaking please always let a moderator or administrator know if you change your name (just click on their name and then Send a Message and go from there. Or mention it in a post.) Thank you. :)

 

(Note: You are permitted to make 3 display name changes in a 30 day period)

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20thC

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Keep in mind 2 things:

 

1. Troxel v. Granville was a plurality, not a majority (unfortunate, in my opinion), so although it is standing law, it will likely hold less sway over future courts.

 

2. In the case, one of the key facts that the justices focused on was that the grandparents made no allegations that the mother was in any way unfit.  And how can a mother who is perfectly fit not know what is best for her child?  So the decision actually said that parents are entitled to a presumption that they know what is best for their child and the grandparent must allege that the parent is not fit to make such decisions.

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s.weekes@cogeco.ca

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I don't think anyone mentioned the daughter in law using the kids as pawns. A daughter in law who for years has shown a history of not even trying to get along with her Mother in law. And, to even say to her Mother in law that she kicked her son off their marital bed, and he has a condition. I've done only good love my grandchildren dearly. Satisfaction, no grieved that the marriage just broke up and I hurt for my grandkids. She climbed the corporate ladder at the expense of her kids, thank God she had my son to pick up her slack. Yes I will seek legal action for visitation, because I will not have my g'kids believe that Grandma don't love us anymore.

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Nene2008

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I'm also starting the process of petitioning grandparent visitation. I don't understand for the life of me, why Florida being the largest senior harboring state in the union, has the strictest laws on grandparent visitation. I used to see my grandson(5 years old) a lot until his mother got upset with HER mother and banned her and banned me from seeing my grandson. My son meet this lady a few days before he was deployed overseas, 1 1/2 years later he was told he is a father. She banned my son from seeing his child but accepted all the child support checks. As a mother, I guess her way of moving on is having 2 more children by two different men.I have several nieces a mother and two sisters that would love to help me babysit my grandson and give his mother a break with her other children. I want my grandson to know his extended family as we wait for his dad's return. I don't know where to start, how about with the Florida Senate! Any advise will be mostly appreciated.

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p_madden64@yahoo.com

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Well I finally figured out how to get on here to post.. Its been a while and I had forgotten.. Still fighting for GC, Its been exhausting and heart breaking to say the least.. We miss them so much. We no longer have a relationship with our son or DIL.. We hired an attorney to go to DHS court, but the judge would only let him sit and listen. He was not allowed to say anything about anything. Outside the court he tried to help our sons attorney with the case so maybe he would get them back then we would take the kids from him.. but that didn't work either.. Our hands were tied all the way around.. My son and DIL lost their parental rights.. The kids are still in foster homes which is family members... Extended family members and they are refusing any visitation at this time. We want custody.. the 4 GC are split up 2 went to her side and 2 went to our side.. The youngest two which are twins we have only seen 3 times. they were taken at birth so actually we don't even know them.. The oldest 2 which are now 4 and 3 still remember us.. but we have seen them 5 times.. No one is being cooperative and we don't know why?? We didn't do this.. We need to form some kind of organization to change these GP laws. So unfair, Cant afford another attorney to file adoption papers.. but foster parents are in the process of filing theirs.. My time is running out.. I cant give up.. we need them back in our lives.. What do I do?? 

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agnurse

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Well I finally figured out how to get on here to post.. Its been a while and I had forgotten.. Still fighting for GC, Its been exhausting and heart breaking to say the least.. We miss them so much. We no longer have a relationship with our son or DIL.. We hired an attorney to go to DHS court, but the judge would only let him sit and listen. He was not allowed to say anything about anything. Outside the court he tried to help our sons attorney with the case so maybe he would get them back then we would take the kids from him.. but that didn't work either.. Our hands were tied all the way around.. My son and DIL lost their parental rights.. The kids are still in foster homes which is family members... Extended family members and they are refusing any visitation at this time. We want custody.. the 4 GC are split up 2 went to her side and 2 went to our side.. The youngest two which are twins we have only seen 3 times. they were taken at birth so actually we don't even know them.. The oldest 2 which are now 4 and 3 still remember us.. but we have seen them 5 times.. No one is being cooperative and we don't know why?? We didn't do this.. We need to form some kind of organization to change these GP laws. So unfair, Cant afford another attorney to file adoption papers.. but foster parents are in the process of filing theirs.. My time is running out.. I cant give up.. we need them back in our lives.. What do I do?? 

 

I wonder if part of the reason they're not allowing visitation at present is to allow the children time to adjust. You mentioned that you've only seen the kids a handful of times. Being in foster care, even if it's kinship care, is a HUGE adjustment for children and can be very stressful for them. Likely there have been some problems at home that led to the children being taken away, so they are still dealing with the aftermath of that as well. Sometimes in such cases it's best not to introduce too many changes at once. They may be wanting to give the children time to settle into the new routine before they allow too many visitors.

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I'm also starting the process of petitioning grandparent visitation. I don't understand for the life of me, why Florida being the largest senior harboring state in the union, has the strictest laws on grandparent visitation. I used to see my grandson(5 years old) a lot until his mother got upset with HER mother and banned her and banned me from seeing my grandson. My son meet this lady a few days before he was deployed overseas, 1 1/2 years later he was told he is a father. She banned my son from seeing his child but accepted all the child support checks. As a mother, I guess her way of moving on is having 2 more children by two different men.I have several nieces a mother and two sisters that would love to help me babysit my grandson and give his mother a break with her other children. I want my grandson to know his extended family as we wait for his dad's return. I don't know where to start, how about with the Florida Senate! Any advise will be mostly appreciated.

 

Child support is a different issue compared to access. Where I live, children usually have the right to have a relationship with both of their parents (assuming this is in the child's best interest) AND they have the right to be supported by both of their parents. In my province child support is not tied to access at all, so you can't refuse to pay just because you can't see your children and you can't withhold access simply because you are not being paid. Often in a case like yours it's recommended that you organize visitation with your son. Obviously in your case he himself has access issues. However, I strongly recommend that you consult a lawyer and see about getting access for your son. Once he has had time to forge a bond with your GC AND the child has had time to adjust, THEN you can see about a GP relationship. Remember that this child has probably had to go through a lot and may take time to adjust to having a "new" daddy. A lawyer will be able to give you more specific advice.

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StormyMama

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LOL...WOW....okay I have SOME experience with this.  I live in Texas.  6 years ago my eldest daughter took her 2 children to the ER as the little one (then 2 y/o) had a bruise on the cartilage at the top of her ear.  Both girls also had lice BAD.  Dr called CPS.  My DD was separated from her husband for about 2 years at that point and he was living in a halfway house for alcoholics.  CPS contacted her MIL and asked if she would take the children she stated she would take the OLDER child but NOT both...they contacted ME and I agreed to take both.  Within 2 days I had temporary custody of the girls through CPS.  For the next 6 months (okay 2 weeks shy of 6 months) I had custody.  In the end the judge ordered DD to give her ex custody....she was to have supervised visitation with ME as the supervisor!!  This worked well for a couple of months then he up and without a word moved from San Antonio to Corpus Christi....changed his phone number and it took us a few months to track him down.  We went to mediation and finally got visitation restored.  But now in year 6 he still has custody and over and over and over again he has denied visitation to my daughter and to me even though the court ordered it.  Police constantly say that there is nothing they can do if he refuses...even though the court order gives them the right to enforce the custody/visitation agreement!!  He has just moved yet again without legally informing anyone of the change of address or his intent to move.  Fortunately older GD is now 11 and has a cell phone and she notified me of the move and the new address.  He is still refusing to allow me visitation w/o my DD who is currently out of pocket.  But I do have contact through GD's cell phone which is something.  If DD had $ she could take him to court and he'd be in trouble over the number of times he's broken the custody/visitation agreement....we have LOADS of documentation which is SO IMPORTANT!!  But as for whether grandparents HAVE rights and what they should be....I think grandparents are SO important to kid's lives and unless there is some compelling reason that they should NOT have visitation I believe they should!!  I know the times I've been denied visitation of the girls were heartbreaking for me and for them.    

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RoseRed135

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Oh wow, Stormy! I take it this is a different DD and different GC than you have spoken to us about in the forums. My heart so goes out to you - and those kids! They've been through a lot, what w/ their mom's poor care of them, unfortunately, their parents' separation, being torn from their mom (whom I'm sure they love, even if she wasn't the best parent), the subsequent moves and being torn away from you, one of the sources of stability in their lives.

I'm glad, at least, the oldest one can  contact you. And I'm sorry not much gets done to enforce the visitation. As I understand it, courts, police, etc. are hesitant to enforce GP visitation b/c they don't want to fine or jail a parent who is mainly responsible for the kids' care. That might even be true regarding visits of a non-custodial parent. But I hope you continue to be able to stay in touch via GD. Best to you all! My thoughts and prayers (if ok) are w/ you...

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This is my first post.  Hope it is in the appropriate thread.  I am the grandfather.  I helped raise my granddaughter until she was 8.  She's now 12 and I have not been permitted to communicate with her for 4 years now.  She lives with her mother and surrogate father (not married to each other), a younger biological brother and older step-brother. My son is the biological father of my granddaughter (we'll call her Avie), and he has not been permitted to see Avie for 5 years.  There's a lot to unpack here, but for the purposes of getting to the point, here is my need:  I want to initiate legal efforts to communicate with Avie.  I have had a texting relationship with her mother for those 4 years, receiving pictures now and then, along with personal pleasantries.  I have sent birthday cards, Christmas gifts, letters, etc..  I have never received any response or acknowledgement to those efforts from Avie. The mother always rebuffed my request for contact with, "It's best for (Avie) if she gets a little older before you see her again."  From what I can tell, Avie is in a very good family situation.  Her "step-dad" is apparently dedicated to her (according to the mother), she does well in school, and has good friends.  The only thing I don't really know is whether Avie knows why her Grampa suddenly stopped communicating with her 4 years ago. Now her mother has stopped communicating with me altogether.  I'm almost 70, and my heart is broken. Suffice it to say that there have been no issues between Avie and me...only between my son and her mother.  I have been her "rescuer" and surrogate parent for most of her life..  I realize she no longer needs me in that capacity, but I'm not ready to simply accept that I will never see Avie again.  Help?  I live in California.  She lives in Arizona.

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RoseRed135

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On ‎7‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 2:44 PM, GPMFOREVER said:

This is my first post.  Hope it is in the appropriate thread.  I am the grandfather.  I helped raise my granddaughter until she was 8.  She's now 12 and I have not been permitted to communicate with her for 4 years now.  She lives with her mother and surrogate father (not married to each other), a younger biological brother and older step-brother. My son is the biological father of my granddaughter (we'll call her Avie), and he has not been permitted to see Avie for 5 years.  There's a lot to unpack here, but for the purposes of getting to the point, here is my need:  I want to initiate legal efforts to communicate with Avie.  I have had a texting relationship with her mother for those 4 years, receiving pictures now and then, along with personal pleasantries.  I have sent birthday cards, Christmas gifts, letters, etc..  I have never received any response or acknowledgement to those efforts from Avie. The mother always rebuffed my request for contact with, "It's best for (Avie) if she gets a little older before you see her again."  From what I can tell, Avie is in a very good family situation.  Her "step-dad" is apparently dedicated to her (according to the mother), she does well in school, and has good friends.  The only thing I don't really know is whether Avie knows why her Grampa suddenly stopped communicating with her 4 years ago. Now her mother has stopped communicating with me altogether.  I'm almost 70, and my heart is broken. Suffice it to say that there have been no issues between Avie and me...only between my son and her mother.  I have been her "rescuer" and surrogate parent for most of her life..  I realize she no longer needs me in that capacity, but I'm not ready to simply accept that I will never see Avie again.  Help?  I live in California.  She lives in Arizona.

Welcome GPMGOREVER! My heart goes out to you! However, I'm not sure how many people will pick up on your post in here, as this is another member's specific blog entry. It may be better to post in one of the forums.

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where is the true help for grandparents. weither their parents or family member dropped them off at your door step.i hope and pray that one day they will hear about the good that they are missing out on, I  have searched for many resources finicial and support. I love metworking with organizations to share and give back...shout out to all that support me and my gold..who can we trust.

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godsgifts

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Our DD was killed and it took several months and about $2000.00 to get to see or have any kind of Custody  so because The BF is a dirtball  we took him to Court. Our GS  and DD lived w/us when she was killed and he wouldn't even let us see him.   Not sure the damage he caused this 19 mo old, no Mother and no GM who were his primary care givers, taken away in a heart beat.   

We did get 50% Custody, but I think because of his reputation the Court did it in the best interest of our GC. .

Anyway, in Pa.  the Courts said we could have 1/2 custody BECAUSE they like the child to be with the natural (dirtball) parent. He ONLY GOT CUSTODY because our DD was dead. We still can't figure that out with his drug usage and selling it.

But I'm sure all states are different.

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TexasSparky61

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I am also being denied visitation with my new granddaughter b/c of a disagreement over a year ago....I have made NUMEROUS attempts to "start over", put the past behind us, etc.  But to no avail......I am wondering how many people would sign a petition to send to state congressman and senators that would ask them to look at passing a law giving grandparents an opportunity to file/request court ordered mediation/arbitration to resolve the problem between the parties or at least allow court ordered visitation if a judge sees fit.  The mental anguish caused by not being able to see your grandchild or be part of their life greatly affects a person.  I believe grandparents play an important role in the lives of their grandchildren.  And when grandparents are being "punished" in this way it is a form of mental cruelty......or that is my opinion.....

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RoseRed135

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On 12/17/2016 at 1:09 PM, TexasSparky61 said:

I am also being denied visitation with my new granddaughter b/c of a disagreement over a year ago....I have made NUMEROUS attempts to "start over", put the past behind us, etc.  But to no avail......I am wondering how many people would sign a petition to send to state congressman and senators that would ask them to look at passing a law giving grandparents an opportunity to file/request court ordered mediation/arbitration to resolve the problem between the parties or at least allow court ordered visitation if a judge sees fit.  The mental anguish caused by not being able to see your grandchild or be part of their life greatly affects a person.  I believe grandparents play an important role in the lives of their grandchildren.  And when grandparents are being "punished" in this way it is a form of mental cruelty......or that is my opinion.....

Welcome TexasSparky61! Glad you turned to us though I'm sorry it's under such unhappy circumstances!

I don't know how many people will see your post here, however, since it's in someone else' very old blog entry. It may be better to post in a discussion thread in one of the forums. You might want to click on this one, for example, and try posting there:

 

 

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Locking this blog entry now b/c it's quite old and the OP hasn't been back in for a long time. Again, I encourage anyone seeking GPV (grandparent visitation) to click on the following thread from the Grandparents without Grandchildren forum (same if you've sought GPV and been successful):

 

 

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